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Uh, generates electric shocks. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? He's standing there on the front pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings. And they go, "Why?" No motives. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. One of those very tiny, old fashioned, uh, pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. Hey wait! My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. Read these words. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. Visit our website. And the number of chemical reactions. And he says, "That's what people wanted. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. You can be sure of your purchase with Casper's 100 night risk-free sleep on it trial. Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. Is there a way to explain why some people act the way they do and others don't?". I thought about grabbing a knife quickly and stabbing him in the chest repeatedly until he was dead. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. And 84% of the women. You know, I'm really proud of Job. Whether the learner likes it or not, we must-, What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them-, Play out the same way. We will begin with this test-. You went through this a lot of times before and she's already told you she's in a hurry. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. And it's kind of surprising, a lot of them are really positive, even though they've just been told that they were duped. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. Year 2003. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. I knew she had a daughter and-. So, how do you feel about him now? Pat, go ahead. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website, radiolab.org. That's radio producer Ben Walker, he'll be our guide for this segment. So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. Shoots herself in the chest, and is found by her son. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. With my arm. In front of this really impressive looking machine. I killed her. All right. He's standing there on the front, pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings, admittedly, it's a ware, but still. No. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. And when you stick a seed, like a wheat seed in the ground. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . Give me two more minutes. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. That guy yelling of course was an actor and the shocks weren't real, but the questions in the air at the time were very real. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. And- and Iago? He takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium. Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. Okay? And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. I really want to do a good job.". This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. That's it? And what is basically like the Baghdad of his time. They will invariably say something like, "They show that people obey orders." Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress providing supportive comfort for every body type. There's you, and there's two other participants. This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. Our food source then moves into our bodies. Direct your voice toward that microphone in the room [inaudible 00:20:33]-, So they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow, this is really important. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. What's the noble cause in this case? He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. Uh, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder and badness and all these things we're thinking about. The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. Any idea what the hell he was intending? Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? Stanley Milgram had four scripted prods that he wrote out for his experimenters. "The experiment requires that you continue.". They will spare his son if he fessed up and tells them what they need to know. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of-, There's a moment in the play when Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently. Gary is dancing around this topic. But the questions in the air, at the time, were very real. But we ended up walking this question around different people-. Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. With my arm. She just burst my eardrums (laughs). Now you're saying actually that you could read that, that very dark fact, as being actually evidence of something quite- quite noble. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". There's a sort of chilling comparison which is a speech that Himmler gave to some SS leaders when they were about to commit a range of atrocities. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. And he throws himself at one of the central issues facing Germany at that time. So, I heard this one from this guy named David-. Is that like a green cloud? You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. The son, eventually, after he emigrates to America kills himself. Cruelty, violence, badness. I- I- I would say in a powerful mood. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. Humans. He was trying to repeat this master stroke. Although, clearly on some level they know it isn't. There are hints of reasons. We'll be right back. They arrest Gary Le- Leon Ridgeway. "I just needed to kill because of that." Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and the Alfred P Sloan Foundation. According to some accounts, as they crept across no man's land. I mean, I'm going to record it here too. This story made us wonder is David's friend, is he unusual? So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? And I designed a little questionnaire where I simply asked the students, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" Here it goes. He's such a puzzle to me. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. Yeah. And so, uh, when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. Okay. And Hitler takes over. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. Whether it was feeding, or killing, or-, And he does. Thanks also to reporter Aaron Scott for that story. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. Well all right, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. It is a, the- the critical- the critical force prod. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. There's a pause and my father just says. Science. We were just enacting an old, very famous experiment that you may have heard about. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. That's one of the things we have to know, and that's why it's okay to let it out. And he is celebrated for it. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. Up until that point, Gary refused to say, "That from the minute I picked these women up, I wanted to kill them." With higher and higher voltage. I'm going to resign.". Continue using the last switch on the board, please. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. It's all right. Listen Now. He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. I'm going to resign.". Push button, get mortgage. I can't quite place him. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. Each answer just begs another why. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. But I needed to kill her because of that. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? You're bad." Like, maybe he thinks Othello is sleeping with his wife, we're not sure. And, uh, so does Clara. All right. And there behind the German lines is-. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic and not to everybody's tastes. Even now. With higher and higher voltage. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. [crosstalk 00:17:42], It's the experimenter-. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. Now that's important. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge, I really want to do a good job.". Yeah (laughs). Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. The whole thing happened serveral years ago. Trivalent. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. That is if you don't continue, we're going to have to discontinue the experiment. He could have never imagined that. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. I don't know, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. It's a pretty (bleep) thing to miss, isn't it really? In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. You know, on the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's he-helped or fed versus people he's killed, I mean, he's got fed billions of people, I don't know that you could entirely call him bad. Um, I got a little, uh, I- my- this is my dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. I'll give you bad. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. And it's kind of surprising. And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? It was developed in his Institute. And so in 1918, Fritz Haber gets the Nobel Prize. We need to put it under a lot of pressure. The prods. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. He ultimately spent 17 years searching for this man. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. So, he starts experimenting. And he finds her actually still alive, with the life about to run out of her. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. plus-circle Add Review. Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. Who are you?". And not just yeses. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Visit our website. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. You- I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them and to someone else because they want to promote science. So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? We will begin with this test. Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas. I'm almost done, guys. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. Reviews . Hi, my name's Josh and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. It's called Too Much Information. We have nothing. This is sort of chilling comparison, which is a speed that Himmler gave to the SS, some SS leaders, when they were, uh, about to commit a range of atrocities. 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